Yes because: 1/ greece is only one in the series of 'poor' southern countries to be enslaved with debts that are programmed and executed by the great anglo-saxon banks and multinational enterprises 2/ it is a european union member, not only to pay taxes imposed by EU, but to get help when needed, otherwise what union are we talking about? 3/ european union should start doing more about the various social problems (poverty, famine, unemployment, ecology and justice) of its members than giving away money to the bank gangs in order to "save crisis"
it's a good circumstance now to see what this union is really about...
Wow this is pretty tight. I think the EU should help Greece because it desperately needs to get political. If Europe is to stay a great power, we (I'm French) have to get away from the current dead-end. So the EU has to become more like a federation, to stop accepting too many members, and to try and have a real political weight. Seriously, Copenhagen has shown that nobody cares about the EU, particularly Obama and Hu Jintao. A bailout to Greece would be a great first step into a greater committment of all the member countries into the union.
im really dissappointed of our financial status right now..i live in Greece,i wish we could handle the situation differently,i wish we could become the summer touristic target as we enclude as a country every different aspect of beauty.. unfortunately, Greece has a long history of wars..too bad we didnt catch the rennaissance..everything might be different now..
An individual in Greece is liable for tax on his income as an employee and on income as a self-employed person.τhere is actually a kind of a scale like this: Tax % The Tax Base (EURO) 0 1 - 10,500 15 10,501-12,000 25 12,001-30,000 35 30,001-75,000 40 75,001 and over
yes, because germany hasnt paid greece all the money it owes from invading and killing thousand in greece in WWII, let apart, burning villages, and establishing a deep fascist state that stays up to this day in greece. Apart from that its the Anglosaxons that always play monetary tricks, and ow look Belgium actually needs to borrow double the amount that greece does, but its ok. Yea it might be better outside. The nords can go spend their beautiful summer days in the nordic sea. thrilling!
indeed this greek collapse does smell like a diversion from other bigger issues. i think financially England is the weakest link in the EU don`t know why but i see the next big crash originating from the U.K, their banksters are behind much of the turmoil happening right now.
check this out : "Inspiration for the € symbol itself came from the Greek epsilon (Є) [sic] – a reference to the cradle of European civilization – and the first letter of the word Europe, crossed by two parallel lines to ‘certify’ the stability of the euro." - the european commision ( [link] ) LOL stability !!!!!!
That was really stupid... WWII ended 65 years ago, people responsible for it are now dead. You can't blame their grandsons for WWII if they weren't even born. And anyway Germany hasn't paid the reparations to anyone because they were so huge that it would have killed them (and they would probably have been paying from 1945 until the 90s or later !). That mistake was made after WWI, and since nobody wanted a WWIII they tried not to repeat it. Moreover, if you take such an idea too far, maybe Greece should give Egypt or Turkey money because Alexander the Great once conquered it ? This is ridiculous.
What you say about Belgium being allowed to borrow while Greece isn't is indeed a bit shocking I think, but the current problem with Greece is that there has been a lot of speculation on the fact that the state would or wouldn't collapse (which is not the case for Belgium). Which leads us again to the abuses on financial markets...
PS : If I'm getting too political, and/or if this is inappropriate, feel free to remove this message ! I won't mind
well first of all 65 years is not the same as 2000 years. Cause if you think like that Turkey should be paying greece, and not the other way around (learn your history kiddo). 65 years really is not that far. My grandma still remembers the germans and the italians invading in WWII and their house being burned down by both. She never expected any money, but she should have received. Whats interesting and probably you dont know that is that Greece is one of the main weapon importers from Germany. If germany really wanted Greece to recover (as well as the rest of the "PIGS" countries) it would follow different strategies than the ones followed. Its great monetary heart would be spent in paying what it owes, if it wants to help a fellow member state, and not trying to sofocate it economically, politically and socially. (google SIEMENS scandal Germany - Greece). In reality if greeks had the balls to declare bankruptncy, all those money lenders would be shit their pants, losing all their money.
As far as the defeicits go, check a bit the rest of the european deficits and the money they receive as loans. The vast majority surpasses the defeicit of greece, both in sum and proportionally. Greece is just the weak link, and the beginning of all those anti-popular measures they want to pass. Take your pop-corn and let the show begin....
My grandma still remembers her country invaded too, that is not a reason. My point with Turkey was just to show that if you start having such ideas, it is really hard to draw a line between what is "not that far" (65 years) and "too far". And Germany has also exported many weapons in Irak for example, including chemical warfare (that are theoritically forbidden), so I'm not really astonished. But I totally with you if you think it is wrong. And you really need to take into account the importance of the idea of working on memory in Germany. They really know they are responsible, and really take it seriously.
I guess one of the countries with the worse deficit are Japan and the US. But I'm French, and it is also an issue in our country. We don't necessarily agree with the politicians ! I read a few days ago in a survey that 79% of the French are worried about our deficit, and 60% think that we should reduce it no matter what it might cost us. And in the meantime, the government decided to borrow more money. But like I said, the problem with Greece that led to an intervention was all that speculation on the country declaring bankruptcy or not (meaning, this is not only the country's fault !)... And this doesn't keep me (and, apparently, most people in my country) from saying that deficit is wrong no matter if it is in Greece, France, Germany or in the UK !
Anyway, I am totally disappointed in the UE on that subject. They should be supporting Greece as much as possible and apparently they won't do it.
well if they really wanted to help with something would be to help get rid of corrupt politicians. But since, everyone in this game is corrupt independent of country, in the end its all spectacles and lions!
I agree that Greece is at a disposition because of its history, but you can't blame that solely on other nations.
There are other nations which suffered much worse from WWII than Greece did and they have shown resilience and recovered without complaining about not receiving full compensation for the past so you really shouldn't take such a defeatist stance. Instead, try accepting some responsibility of your own to make things better!
well i think you are not aware what greece passed in WWII. I agree on what you said on accepting responsibility and not adopting populist ideas, thats all it is. if you burn a country to the ground, ( which both the italians, germans and guess what?, you wouldnt know it, the Brits, did in greece in WWII) you need to accept responsibility. Its just that. World economic markets are not sinonimous with responsibility and i think that has been demonstrated by now....
here, I am not even a citizen of the EU but seeing that Greece is part of an union (namely EU) and it's a privilege, it's not like that a country can just jump into the EU, there is a long and torturous process, trials, tribulations that countries go through to be part of the EU (or not). And once it is part of the EU, comes along the responsibility of supporting other countries that are also part of the union. So in short, yes, other countries should bailout Greece.
Support as much as possible. I know the entire economy of Europe will go down that way, possibly.. though Europe is part of let's say a world-economy, so that way we won't be the only ones "suffering" economy loss, the entire world will..
But the solution of just letting countries down who were supposed to be united as one is just plain silly and won't be good for our economy either way..
yes because this is what the eu stands for but i don`t think the Greek ppl should pay the way they do now because they elites played financial poker with Goldman Sachs.they should over tax the rich not poor