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Europeans! Should the E.U countries bailout Greece? 

45%
119 deviants said i have no ideea
20%
52 deviants said no (why?)
19%
50 deviants said i`m neutral
16%
41 deviants said yes (why?)

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socionik Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2010  Hobbyist Digital Artist
An individual in Greece is liable for tax on his income as an employee and on income as a self-employed person.τhere is actually a kind of a scale like this:
Tax % The Tax Base (EURO)
0 1 - 10,500
15 10,501-12,000
25 12,001-30,000
35 30,001-75,000
40 75,001 and over


:)
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journaldub Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2010
yes, because germany hasnt paid greece all the money it owes from invading and killing thousand in greece in WWII, let apart, burning villages, and establishing a deep fascist state that stays up to this day in greece. Apart from that its the Anglosaxons that always play monetary tricks, and ow look Belgium actually needs to borrow double the amount that greece does, but its ok. Yea it might be better outside.
The nords can go spend their beautiful summer days in the nordic sea. thrilling!
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beaucoupzero Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
indeed this greek collapse does smell like a diversion from other bigger issues. i think financially England is the weakest link in the EU don`t know why but i see the next big crash originating from the U.K, their banksters are behind much of the turmoil happening right now.
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journaldub Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2010
i agree the crisis is much wider
picking easy victims is the easy populist fashion
and people do fall for it as always...
(me included)
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beaucoupzero Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
check this out :
"Inspiration for the € symbol itself came from the Greek epsilon (Є) [sic] – a reference to the cradle of European civilization – and the first letter of the word Europe, crossed by two parallel lines to ‘certify’ the stability of the euro." - the european commision ( [link] ) LOL stability !!!!!!
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crystall Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2010
That was really stupid... WWII ended 65 years ago, people responsible for it are now dead. You can't blame their grandsons for WWII if they weren't even born.
And anyway Germany hasn't paid the reparations to anyone because they were so huge that it would have killed them (and they would probably have been paying from 1945 until the 90s or later !). That mistake was made after WWI, and since nobody wanted a WWIII they tried not to repeat it.
Moreover, if you take such an idea too far, maybe Greece should give Egypt or Turkey money because Alexander the Great once conquered it ? This is ridiculous.

What you say about Belgium being allowed to borrow while Greece isn't is indeed a bit shocking I think, but the current problem with Greece is that there has been a lot of speculation on the fact that the state would or wouldn't collapse (which is not the case for Belgium). Which leads us again to the abuses on financial markets...


PS : If I'm getting too political, and/or if this is inappropriate, feel free to remove this message ! I won't mind :)
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journaldub Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2010
well first of all 65 years is not the same as 2000 years. Cause if you think like that Turkey should be paying greece, and not the other way around (learn your history kiddo). 65 years really is not that far. My grandma still remembers the germans and the italians invading in WWII and their house being burned down by both. She never expected any money, but she should have received. Whats interesting and probably you dont know that is that Greece is one of the main weapon importers from Germany. If germany really wanted Greece to recover (as well as the rest of the "PIGS" countries) it would follow different strategies than the ones followed. Its great monetary heart would be spent in paying what it owes, if it wants to help a fellow member state, and not trying to sofocate it economically, politically and socially. (google SIEMENS scandal Germany - Greece). In reality if greeks had the balls to declare bankruptncy, all those money lenders would be shit their pants, losing all their money.

As far as the defeicits go, check a bit the rest of the european deficits and the money they receive as loans. The vast majority surpasses the defeicit of greece, both in sum and proportionally. Greece is just the weak link, and the beginning of all those anti-popular measures they want to pass. Take your pop-corn and let the show begin....
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crystall Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2010
My grandma still remembers her country invaded too, that is not a reason. My point with Turkey was just to show that if you start having such ideas, it is really hard to draw a line between what is "not that far" (65 years) and "too far".
And Germany has also exported many weapons in Irak for example, including chemical warfare (that are theoritically forbidden), so I'm not really astonished. But I totally with you if you think it is wrong. And you really need to take into account the importance of the idea of working on memory in Germany. They really know they are responsible, and really take it seriously.

I guess one of the countries with the worse deficit are Japan and the US. But I'm French, and it is also an issue in our country. We don't necessarily agree with the politicians ! I read a few days ago in a survey that 79% of the French are worried about our deficit, and 60% think that we should reduce it no matter what it might cost us. And in the meantime, the government decided to borrow more money. But like I said, the problem with Greece that led to an intervention was all that speculation on the country declaring bankruptcy or not (meaning, this is not only the country's fault !)... And this doesn't keep me (and, apparently, most people in my country) from saying that deficit is wrong no matter if it is in Greece, France, Germany or in the UK !

Anyway, I am totally disappointed in the UE on that subject. They should be supporting Greece as much as possible and apparently they won't do it.
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journaldub Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2010
well if they really wanted to help with something
would be to help get rid of corrupt politicians.
But since, everyone in this game is corrupt
independent of country, in the end its all spectacles and lions!
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beaucoupzero Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
take it easy guys
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j-m-s Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2010
I agree that Greece is at a disposition because of its history, but you can't blame that solely on other nations.

There are other nations which suffered much worse from WWII than Greece did and they have shown resilience and recovered without complaining about not receiving full compensation for the past so you really shouldn't take such a defeatist stance. Instead, try accepting some responsibility of your own to make things better!
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journaldub Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2010
well i think you are not aware what greece passed in WWII.
I agree on what you said on accepting responsibility
and not adopting populist ideas, thats all it is.
if you burn a country to the ground, ( which both the italians, germans and guess what?, you wouldnt know it, the Brits, did in greece in WWII) you need to accept responsibility. Its just
that. World economic markets are not sinonimous with responsibility and i think
that has been demonstrated by now....
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yafet Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2010
well guys; i'm from Turkey and i must say politics and economy here sucks hard..
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ravivasavan Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2010  Professional Interface Designer
here, I am not even a citizen of the EU but seeing that Greece is part of an union (namely EU) and it's a privilege, it's not like that a country can just jump into the EU, there is a long and torturous process, trials, tribulations that countries go through to be part of the EU (or not). And once it is part of the EU, comes along the responsibility of supporting other countries that are also part of the union. So in short, yes, other countries should bailout Greece.
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mX-4 Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2010
i have been following this although i live in the U.S.A - They need to bailout Greece because they have a great fishing economy, and have many great exports. Not to mention, a tourist attraction.
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beaucoupzero Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
yeah but it looks to me like someone wants to buy all that for cheap....
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mX-4 Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2010
yea, probably
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slippyninja Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2010
yes cause being ignorant of anything that is going on i love greek salad and gyro's and Ouzzo and ive seen pictures of Greece and it seems really pretty.
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beaucoupzero Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
: )
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Konnee Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
i live in latvia .. in our country the economical situation is like HOOOLY SH&*(T no other words needed ..

i think we need to help each other out .. we are in a union aren't we ))
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beaucoupzero Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
yup, i too fear eastern europe will be even more damaged by this crisis than it already is
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vincentvc Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2010  Student Digital Artist
As a Union we should help each other out.. Otherwise the entire idea of a European Union is pointless anyways. So yes. :)
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beaucoupzero Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
yup, but what if Greece isn`t the only country that needs a bailout ?
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vincentvc Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2010  Student Digital Artist
Support as much as possible. I know the entire economy of Europe will go down that way, possibly.. though Europe is part of let's say a world-economy, so that way we won't be the only ones "suffering" economy loss, the entire world will..

But the solution of just letting countries down who were supposed to be united as one is just plain silly and won't be good for our economy either way..
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SmirapDesigns Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
we're not (Greece) the only country in a bad status. Some countries from what i hear are worst. But for some reason Greece is in the target. Somebody is playing games in my opinion.
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beaucoupzero Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
well the Greek gov did play they money on the derivatives market and lost...
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eykaliptus Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2010  Professional General Artist
I vote yes because never really liked that kind of union in fact countries from Europe can't be united like USA.
In fact don't really give a fuck stay or bailout
I'm from Greece.

what do u vote ?
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beaucoupzero Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2010  Professional Digital Artist
yes
because this is what the eu stands for but i don`t think the Greek ppl should pay the way they do now because they elites played financial poker with Goldman Sachs.they should over tax the rich not poor
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eykaliptus Featured By Owner Mar 1, 2010  Professional General Artist
The ppl who spent the money (the goverment) should pay the money or go to prison, they are thiefs.
Like if I stole something they will punish me, so they must they.

Now it brings memories of Dead Kennedy's song kill the poor
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KupoGames Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2010
Time for me to go find out what happened.
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